
I recently heard the phrase, “a kind orthodoxy”, used by a local pastor in his Sunday sermon.
I’m not sure how he came up with this phrase but it sent off warning alarms in my head. Because I’d seen this phrase somewhere before. I just couldn’t remember where.
Then I did some research; and my fears were justified.
Now, I don’t wish to accuse this pastor or his team of leaders of anything. Because how they used this phrase and what they meant by it, may be something entirely different than what I found in my own research.
Only time will tell where they really stand on all this.
But, with our churches smack dab in the middle of a battle over biblical doctrine, we have to be on high alert about false teaching.
Because behind this “kind orthodoxy” idea is a belief that biblical doctrine can be selected, trimmed, or presented in a way that is “kind”. The word, “kind”, meaning whatever is least offensive to the culture we are trying to reach. And whatever is “nice” and “friendly”.
And that is a dangerous road to travel.
A “Generous” Orthodoxy
The place where I saw this phrase was in a book titled, “A Generous Orthodoxy”, by Brian McLaren.
Brian McLaren is a leader within the Emergent church movement or the Emergent Village or whatever name they are calling themselves this week. He is often cited as one of the most prolific and well-known of the writers that push the Emergent ideas.
Mr. McLaren does not hold to the same doctrines that most Evangelicals do. In fact, he is part of the Post-Modern wing of “Christendom”; part of a group that is re-defining and re-thinking everything that Christians believe.
For a long time, I believed that the kind of doctrines that Mr. McLaren professed would be easily spotted and rejected by Evangelical leaders. That they would clearly see his basic unbelief and steer clear of him.
But that has not been the case. Instead, young Evangelical leaders are reading and quoting him in their sermons!
Quoting him as they would men like Moody, or Torrey, or Spurgeon. Quoting him as a man to be trusted and revered for biblical faithfulness.
Going Beneath the Surface
Just to be clear, I am not an expert on Brian McLaren. Right now, I am reading “A Generous Orthodoxy” so that I can speak first-hand about his positions. So, that I can be fair in my analysis of his statements.
However, a primary focus of Brian McLaren’s work has been to re-shape the “orthodoxy” or doctrine of the church. To establish a doctrinal position that is helpful toward winning the culture. To fit in with the culture. To be “kinder” and “gentler” in our presentation of the gospel.
Even while he states that he doesn’t know that he can’t be sure, etc., etc. It is a position common among those who are Progressive Christians. They claim to be orthodox and solid on doctrine while they cast doubt on all doctrine. Taking a posture that is really a false humility. Like throwing a bomb into a crowd but only wanting to make the crowd “think”. Only wanting to increase “dialogue”.
And, on the surface, this seems like a legitimate goal. It seems like something that any missionary would do when trying to reach a different culture or people with the gospel. Wanting to find a better way. A kinder way. A more tolerant way.
But how does one really go about doing this? How does one make the gospel “kinder” or “gentler” or more “generous”?
Saved and Kept by Faith
As an aside, there is a difference between “orthodoxy” and “orthopraxy” (or “orthopraxis”). Orthodoxy relates to the beliefs that are held. And Orthopraxy relates to the works or practices flowing out of those beliefs.
It is also critical to note that modern Progressive Christians are trying to establish that orthopraxy is more important than orthodoxy. Because, they would say that what you do is what really defines what you believe. As if to say, professed belief without proven works is not true belief.
And that is precisely where they are misleading themselves and the church. They are trying to establish a romanticized form of Christianity that even Paul didn’t profess.
Each of us are saved by faith, not by our works. Faith comes by hearing the truth. And truth comes from the word of God.
A New “Discipleship Management” Program
Granted, our lives will always fall short of the ideal. We may even be hypocrites on things where we take the correct positions on things but don’t consistently follow through in our practical lives.
Welcome to Paul’s world as he explained this conflict in Romans 5, 6, and 7. Where he said, “O, wretched man that I am“. Any true believer that has gone beyond the infant stage of his growth knows this to be true. The older and more mature one is in the Lord, the more one sees his own failings, his own shortcomings, and his own sins.
So, to focus on works or outward manifestations in our lives FIRST, is a serious mistake for Christians. It is a road into bondage to whatever list of things a particular church or group says you must focus on to be a proper disciple.
And, in the case of our current Progressive-Christian culture, we are witnessing an attempt to establish that true discipleship is that which is demonstrated by those who are socially-engaged believers. Those who focus on the poor, on the sick, and on a host of other good works that fit in with what the “woke” culture demands.
All of which, changes the Biblical basis of discipleship.
They are changing our focus from deep study and trust in the words of God. From growing deeper in our love for Christ and for the defense of His truth.
And changing our focus to another kind of “disciple management” — of works over doctrine, of works over faith, and of “love” over truth.
To Be Continued . . .
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October 8, 2023 at 1:15 am
Focusing on good works at all is just retroactive works-righteousness. Christianity offers nothing to the world except salvation from hell. Nothing else matters.
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October 9, 2023 at 6:35 pm
Hi Oron61,
True, biblical Christianity is a relationship with a Person. Specifically Christ. And being born again / saved is only the very beginning of that relationship. Everything in our lives is designed to draw us closer to Him; so that He can reveal Himself through us to the world.
Good works, eternal works, are only produced by the Spirit of God within us as we are broken. Brought to the cross over and over in our lives to see that we have nothing good within ourselves. The truly good works produced in a believer’s life are those which the Lord planned for us to do from before the foundation of the world.
Much of my writing, including the posts on a “kind orthodoxy”, are really about the false works that are rampant everywhere in the church today. Not just in the mainline churches but in the Fundamental and Bible churches as well. Which is messing up the lives of believers who are focusing on whatever list of works their church prescribes instead of on the solid, doctrinal truths of the Cross applied to our Christian flesh.
All of this false-works emphasis is at the core of much of the missional, “Christ-centered”, “gospel-centered”, and other social justice, social gospel teaching that is now common everywhere in Evangelicalism. Doctrine and the deep teaching of the Bible are being replaced with a host of semi-Christian programs and initiatives. In effect, these are “good works” that are not produced by the Spirit of God. They look good and make believers feel good and make believers think they are doing good.
Good works are commanded by the Lord for the believer to do. But they do not save us; they have no part of that. But they are what the Lord wants us to do. The big question is HOW? That is the tough part. But most everywhere our leaders are like Martha. They just want people to get to work. While it was Mary, sitting at Jesus’ feet, that had found “that better part”.
Things are backwards everywhere today in our churches. Which is why all these “good works” have become the basis of fellowship between false Chrisitian groups and those that actually know Christ. Because of the emphasis on works instead of solid, doctrinal creeds and belief.
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October 12, 2023 at 9:52 pm
Is all of that a truism, or can it be demonstrated by results?
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October 14, 2023 at 2:48 pm
Hi Oron61,
I am not quite sure what you are asking? Every Christian WILL have spiritual fruit in his life; if for no other reason than the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within him. Quantity and quality will vary depending on that person’s own closeness and dependence on the Lord. In their Resting in Him.
The problem is that our churches are getting the cart before the horse. They are trying to do the Holy Spirit’s work for Him. And have even adopted many unbiblical ways to do that. Thinking that their outward works and the “good results” of those works justifies the compromised methods that are used. This is especially true in the case of Cooperative Evangelism and other Ecumenical pursuits.
Bible churches today have set aside teaching and solid biblical growth in order to pursue good works. As proof, they say, of their faith. They have believed that solid doctrine is something they already have covered. And can now move on to bigger and more important things.
I’m not sure if I’ve answered your question. Please, try to clarify if I haven’t.
Doug
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October 24, 2023 at 8:35 pm
No, you haven’t answered me at all.
Is the Holy Spirit two-fold if orthodoxy and alms mark the true believer? If not, can you distinguish a believer from a unbeliever by their works? If both do works, one believing what you believe, the other being an impostor, believing something else but still professing to believe, will their works be different? If not, then works are not a sign of salvation.
Again, vague principles without examples are just truisms with no actual observable meaning.
Believer 1 was a universalist who performed good works to improve his reward in heaven or hasten his journey there, having assumed that all are rewarded according to their deeds and “chastized” with “eternal effect” for bad ones rather than given eternal life in torment. He then converts to your religion, but still does the same works. Is the Holy Spirit behind the latter works but not the former despite them being the same works? All else equal, did the Holy Spirit only need to do half as much work on him compared to the believer who first did no works?
Believer 2 believes as you do. He performs good works out of moral duty, and subconsciously, to retroactively prove his salvation, because he’s supposed to do good works if he’s actually saved. He has no internal drive to do them except for cowardice and would have no reason to do them if he were confident in his salvation. If his cart is before the horse, where did the horse go? I see no horse. But the cart still moves. What would you teach him about this horse he’s supposed to have?
Believer 3 believes in salvation by fidelity instead of belief, and has trained himself to obey God in deed rather than word, and according to his own judgement instead of hermenutical prowess, because anything more than a surface-level study of the Bible makes God to be foul in his conscience. This, he works benevolence to the widow and the orphan by guidance conscience (presuming that the Holy Spirit works through the conscience) and his “faith” is active intent. Is God with him?
Believer 4 believes in belief alone and is confident in his salvation, and so does no works until the Spirit prompts him. He then rejects all promptings to any good works that he might receive, except to the ends of knowing, defending, and promoting his belief, seeing everything else as temptations to self-righteousness, thus rejecting all alms which are not means for proselytism. He has come to believe that self-righteousness is righteousness of the self because one’s doings, rather than righteousness of one’s doing because of the self (imputation by tribal heritage (Sadducees) or by doctrinal identity (Pharisees)).
What does your formula for salvation from hell make of these four, and what biblical teachings back up your assessment?
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October 27, 2023 at 8:10 am
Hi Oron61,
I will be delayed in responding to you. Sorry about that. I’ve been very busy traveling. But will think about what you’ve said and get back to you.
Doug
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October 30, 2023 at 7:48 pm
Oron61,
Quite honestly, I find much of what you say difficult to follow. That’s not to say you don’t have a lot of good points; you’ve just said a lot here that may take me some time to decipher. So, allow me to try to give you a more complete answer than before.
Salvation is based on belief; without works. Romans talks about this to great extent; especially as relates to Abraham. He was saved without works. Period. Circumcision didn’t save him. Nor did any of his works. See Romans 4:1-3. It says that some might have reason to glory in their works, “but not before God”. That is really what James was saying as well. That works have their value before men; “but not before God”.
However, Paul goes on in Romans Chapters 5-8 to say that there is a great conflict in the person in whom the Holy Spirit dwells. A conflict that will continue until we breathe our last upon this earth. So that we will have the desire to do good works, and yet we will find it increasingly difficult to perform them. A younger believer may find great victory over a thing. Or even an older believer may find himself able for a long time to maintain a basically-faithful, outward-works “performance”; only to find, maybe after many years or decades, that his abilty to do things is increasingly hard or impossible.
The answer is that we can only find rest from this conflict as the Lord brings us to rest in dependence upon Himself. Literally on Him. In His Person. As we look upon Christ and dwell upon Him and what He is. See II Corinthians 3:18. To find IN HIM whatever “good thing” we have been seeking.
Depending on Him to fulfill this good thing or that good thing. To have “victory” on this point or on that point. Taking us through a million different points throughout our lives. Where we see the Cross applied to our “Christian flesh”.
Every truly born-again believer wrestles with sin and doing good in his life. And there is no clear way to know what is of the Lord and not of the Lord by someone observing from the outside. However, one believer may be able to sense if another person is a believer. Because “our spirits minister one to another”.
The simple fact is that good works can be counterfeited. All the religions and cults of the world do that. If a man has enough self-discipline, he may be able to pretty much show up most any true believer. But so what? But there is a quietness and a simplicity and a sweetness to what the Lord Himself does and what a Christian does in his own Christian flesh.
And God does not justify us by our works. He justifies us based upon our trust in the Total Sufficiency of Christ. His total sufficiency not just for Salvation but also for our Sanctification as well. I Corinthians 1:30.
But that is something that is appropriated and made real in our lives (sanctification) as we reach the end our ourselves, every day, and learn to enjoy all the Lord has given to us in Himself. That is where Faith and orthodoxy come in. If I will believe correctly, then I can enjoy what the Lord has provided. However, if I place belief and truth second, then I’m going to be in a mess as a believer. And I will be driven by whatever popular Christian culture or worldly culture works are in vogue. I’ll be stuck in a kind of humanism/Christian mix or in some really cold theology that places the emphasis on obedience and morality. In some 7-steps or 5 principles or whatever.
We walk by faith; and that comes from the word of God applied to our lives as we sit at the Lord’s feet like Mary did; while Martha missed the point.
Doug
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October 30, 2023 at 10:11 pm
How do you walk by a faith that teaches you that there is no need to walk?
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October 31, 2023 at 9:25 pm
Oron61,
To walk by faith means to walk by believing in what God has said. Even as Abraham did. Abraham was justified by his faith in what God had said. Not by his works.
But God does not leave us there, in some dead place, after we become believers; to just do nothing. Because he has said that “we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” (Ephesians 2:10)
So, something is going on here. On the one hand, we are neither saved, nor kept, by works, but the Lord does want us to be fruitful. Therefore, the question is HOW these works are created? HOW do we do works that the Lord actually commands his children to do?
On the one hand, Paul says we cannot do the things that we would. And yet, on the other hand. we are commanded to do stuff. A seeming contradiction.
UNLESS the Lord’s has a plan for Creating these works. By Creating these works in us by His OWN working!
Consider the following: “Then they said unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” (John 6: 28,29)
As we have trusted in Christ for our salvation (by faith), in the same way we must walk (by faith). This means we must grown deeper in dependence on the Lord as our LIFE. Not only as our Savior. Not only for the forgiveness of our sins and the assurance of eternal life, but as our very LIfe itself. Paul goes into this in Romans when he speaks of the “much more” of the Christian life.
Most Christians, tragically, are content to go through the motions doing this or that which their church says for them to do. And probably not bad things in themselves. Probably very nice things and devoted things and even humanitarian things. But they have not really come to that place in their lives where they see that they have nothing good in themselves. And they still want to be comfortable and self-assured in their own good intentions.
The Lord desires to be ALL THINGS to us. And, if we want Him to, He will take us deeper into knowing Him. Which will involve the application of the Cross to our lives; which HE will do. And HE will bring us point by point to depend upon Him until we finally leave this earthly life.
Only in this way can He produce the fruit of the Spirit in us (as opposed to the fruit of the Christian). This will only happen if we believe what He has said in His word. We must know it and study it and meditate upon it. As we rest in Him, He has promised to produce this fruit.
THAT is what it means to “walk by faith”.
Doug
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October 31, 2023 at 12:52 pm
Thank you for trying to explain, but you’ve left me with more questions and actually with less answers than before (to questions I thought had doctrinally solid answers). You are affirming and contradicting the things written in scripture at the same time, in very deep and fundamental ways. It sounds like you’re giving excuses instead of waypoints or parameters. I have nothing to watch for because it can all be fake. Jesus might have been the first and last Christian ever, and we would never know the difference.
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October 31, 2023 at 9:37 pm
Hi Anonymous,
I’m very sorry to be confusing. That is the very last thing i ever want to be or do.
But these are critical matters. Most teachers, even in the best of churches, do not touch on these things. Or, if they do, they come back to some middle ground or “moderate” ground that is totally meaningless to me. That is dead to me. There is no life there.
Please, feel free to get specific with your concerns. I did not come to this point by some comfortable route. These things I know now, or have just begun to know now, after 50 years as a believer, were learned after coming through very, very dark waters spiritually. After questioning everything I believed
The key here is that Christ Himself is my wisdom, my righteousness, sanctification, and redemption. All ot this is about “Christ in you” (Colossians 2) or in me or whoever believes in Him. He just doesn’t give us some “power” to live, He IS our life.
Check out Colossians 3 and read those first 4 verses. Then, please, let me know what you think.
Doug
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November 1, 2023 at 9:19 pm
You are being walked by faith, but call it walking by faith? Is God so loathe to see goodness in humanity that he would rather puppeteer you and impute it good, rather than make you actually good?
You call it faith when it’s God believing your mind in himself if you are lucky enough to have the right doctrines. You are ostensibly dead to evil works and alive to good works… but have to be told so repeatedly, almost as though it were… a vague principle or truism.
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November 2, 2023 at 9:41 am
Hi Oron61,
So, what exactly are you trusting for your salvation? In what or in whom do you have the hope of eternal life? In what authority are you trusting?
Doug
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November 2, 2023 at 10:30 pm
To the first two, and again to the third, I have the same answer twice: Are you trying to intimidate me, oh priest of Baal, with the lances you slash yourself with, instead of fire from heaven? I ask you to back up your doctrine with results or tests that correspond to reality, or at the very least to each other. Have I backed you into a corner now that you’re lashing out with threats of perdition, death, and lostness at me respectively? But now I really do understand your doctrine because of it. Goodbye.
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November 3, 2023 at 7:29 pm
Oron61,
I’m simply asking a question. We were having a discussion about spiritual things. Everyone has an authority they follow as the source from which they get what they consider truth. You obviously have many strong beliefs about things. I don’t understand exactly what you are saying. So, I’m trying to find a common ground with you so we can have a discussion.
I have been very upfront that my source is the Bible. Whether someone agrees with me or not. Whether I am right or wrong, I want to follow the word of God faithfully. That is my priority.
Your priority is not clear to me. That is an honest statement. You place an incredible emphasis on good works. That seems like a reasonable deduction on my part. So, I am concerned that you might believe in some form of works salvation. Which is another honest, even if incorrect, conclusion on my part. And it is a conclusion made in good faith if I am truly concerned about those who come here to read my stuff
If I am wrong about you, then let me know. Clarity is a good thing to have between people. Even if they disagree.
But I won’t keep sending messages in response to you if you do not want that.
Doug
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